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So comparing Obama to Hitler is bad, but comparing George Bush to Hitler isn't? http://bit.ly/aRAFv Both are stupid, IMO. - Joey Gibson [4hr 43min ago]

I'm not seeing the similarities. - Yolanda [4hr 36min ago]

me neither. - Dead Silence [4hr 32min ago]

National Socialism is a completely different concept from (Marxist) socialism. And Obama isn't a socialist, anyway. - John [4hr 29min ago]

Joey: Comparing Bush to Hitler was indeed bad, IMO. I mean, let's face it... if Hitler had the kind of power GWB had, he would have wiped out entire continents. (Even the most hawkish leaders of the American Superpower Age don't get enough credit for showing more restraint with overwhelming power than anyone could have imagined just a century ago.) Also, at their worst, people like Obama and Bush will never get away with the sort of authoritarian crap that a Woodrow Wilson was able to pull in his day. The world has changed. - Roger Benningfield [4hr 23min ago]

If you can compare George W. Bush to Hitler in an open manner, then you can certainly compare Obama to the bastard as well. - Michael Forian [4hr 21min ago]

Really? How many countries has Obama invaded for no reason? - Steven Perez - via IM [3hr 57min ago]

Michael, nice tu quoque! btw that was the *Germans* who compared to Bush to Hitler. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...) not that they would know or anything :-D - Karim [3hr 53min ago]

Bush launched a holy crusade of foreign military aggression while waging a war on fundamental liberties on the domestic front. The Hitler analogy is not entirely inapt, nor is the Nazi analogy entirely inapt with regard to the neoconservatives, Christian Zionists and Judeo-Christian fascists who have largely come to dominate the Republican Party. Rush Limbaugh would have felt fully at home in 1930s Germany if he had been a German citizen at the time. - Sean McBride [3hr 16min ago]

Karim, I'm not saying its "right", but a right. Just look at this: http://www.youtube.com/wa... - How can a CNN reporter dictate that one president deserves not to be slandered over another? Steven, it's not like Obama's doing anything to get them out of Iraq! Look at Israel, a country that the United States has funded for decades: they're about to invade or nuke Iran. - Michael Forian [3hr 12min ago]

Michael: The day Israel nukes ANYONE is the day that they sign onto a death cult. That will practically guarantee their destruction. And seeing as our collective foot is stuck in Iraq, any diminishing of troops is better than the alternative. All of which does nothing to answer the original question. - Steven Perez - via IM [3hr 9min ago]

And the US won't even stop them: Vice President Joe Biden, appearing on ABC’s “This Week,” said that the Obama administration would not stand in the way if Israel chose to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. “Look, Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else,” Biden said. He added that the Obama administration “cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do.” - Michael Forian [3hr 5min ago]

Well, one might argue that comparing Bush to Hitler is a more apt comparison than comparing Obama to Hitler. Fascism is the extreme right wing. Communism is the extreme left wing. Of course, human beings being what we are, both end up in totalitarian rule. That said, if we have free speech, then we can compare anyone to Hitler. It may not be accurate, it may not be correct, and it may have profound implications. But we are free to do it. - Ladybug Heather [3hr 4min ago]

Of course, Biden would say that, Michael; he's knee deep in AIPAC. - Steven Perez - via IM [3hr ago]

That's the funny part, Heather - these Know-Nothings have NEVER been able to figure out the difference between socialism and National Socialism. Kinda like a stupid diner who insists that the chef cook his steak tartar, please, because it's steak, after all. - Steven Perez [2hr 57min ago]

Heather, did you hear about the new bill that just passed Congress stating that if someone were to "hurt" someone's feeling by using the right of free speech, the could be prosecuted and face 2 years in prison and a large fine. The Senate will be passing it shortly. Steven, then why is he the VP? - Michael Forian [2hr 56min ago]

*wonders if he should answer this question for Michael or just punt to Sean McBride* - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 54min ago]

And I'd really love to know the number of this bill, Michael. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 54min ago]

It was on Infowars, I'm getting it right now. In the meantime, where's McBride? - Michael Forian [2hr 53min ago]

Because you would think that, with all the Republican congresscritters on Twitter, we'd know more about these phantom bills being passed without anyone's notice. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 51min ago]

Michael -- Biden is the VP because AIPAC is substantially controlling every aspect of the Obama administration and its appointments. Google [barack obama aipac] for all the gory details, and note especially the groveling speech that Obama delivered to AIPAC before the election, under the tutoring of Rahm Emanuel. If anything, the Democratic leadership in the Congress (including Steny Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi) is even more subservient to AIPAC than Obama and Biden. The facts are out there, although the MSM do their best to suppress them and to disconnect the dots. - Sean McBride [2hr 51min ago]

Steven: I think that bill is the same one that I mentioned here -- http://ff.im/4sUB3 -- the one that protects perverts. - Ladybug Heather [2hr 50min ago]

Ah. The old "Gay=Pedophile" argument. Media Matters punctured this chesnut back in May: http://mediamatters.org/r... - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 46min ago]

I don't think we're talking about the same bill. Here's the one that violates the First Amendment: http://www.opencongress.o... - Michael Forian [2hr 42min ago]

And btw, do you guys support this administration even though it has deep ties with AIPAC? - Michael Forian [2hr 42min ago]

@Michael: nope, that's the same bill. Many different spins have been put on it. - Ladybug Heather [2hr 40min ago]

I'm reading the bill now, Michael. Which part makes it a crime to hurt someone's feelings? Because I just did a search and cannot find the word "feelings". - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 39min ago]

And Heather's right: same bill. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 39min ago]

Heather, well, I hope you don't mean "taking away the First Amendment" is a spin. - Michael Forian [2hr 37min ago]

Michael: That spin thing Heather mentioned? You just did it. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 37min ago]

Steven, don't search for "feeling" but "thought crimes". Maybe something will pop up. Looks below for more info on the bill. - Michael Forian [2hr 36min ago]

Federal hate crimes legislation, which in reality would criminalize “thought crimes,” has cleared the House and now faces the Senate as S.909, the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act (officially, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act). S.909 is a direct violation of the First Amendment. It allows the federal government to prosecute people involved in “hate speech” transmitted over television, radio, and the internet. The House version of the bill states: “Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce [radio, TV, internet] any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. (HR 1966, SEC 3, Sec. 881a)” In other words, if a talk show host engages in “hostile” speech against a person or persons of the above mentioned federally protected group that talk show host will face federal... - Michael Forian [2hr 36min ago]

Michael, I do. I haven't found any evidence of "taking away the First Amendment" or "if someone were to hurt someone's feelings by using the right of free speech, they could be prosecuted" in the bill. - Ladybug Heather [2hr 36min ago]

Committing hate crimes is not a First Amendment right. - John [2hr 36min ago]

Look above, Heather ^^ - Michael Forian [2hr 36min ago]

Michael - I think that ('spin') was a polite way of saying 'you've been hoodwinked by the paranoid fringe again'. The right-wing line about 'thought crimes' has been thoroughly demolished by David Neiwert: http://dneiwert.blogspot.... - Andrew C [2hr 35min ago]

Right, Michael. Please find that *in the bill* and not in someone else's interpretation of what they think the bill says. - Ladybug Heather [2hr 35min ago]

But free speech is, and criminalizing it is disgusting. - Michael Forian [2hr 35min ago]

Just out of curiousity, Michael: if I were to copy that first sentence in that lengthy diatribe you just posted and pasted it into Google, where would it lead me? - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 34min ago]

Heather, I share Paul Watson's views on the bill. The House version of the bill states: “Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce [radio, TV, internet] any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. (HR 1966, SEC 3, Sec. 881a)” - Michael Forian [2hr 34min ago]

And I've never seen a supposed "thought crime" opponent decry how first degree murder and second degree murder and manslaughter are basically distinguished by determining the perpetrator's state of mind. - Andrew C [2hr 34min ago]

I never though I would see the day where people would so easily give up the right to free speech. - Michael Forian [2hr 33min ago]

Steven - good question! The answer would be: paranoid fringers like PrisonPlanet http://nationalresistance... or a militia group I don't have time to research further right now: http://holyspirited.livej... (the very first Google result is a blog aggregator.) - Andrew C [2hr 32min ago]

Michael - you can say it all you like, but hate crimes aren't free speech. - Andrew C [2hr 32min ago]

Michael: how are "cause substantial emotional distress" and "hurt someone's feelings" identical? We have the right to free speech, along with several others, but that right is limited by responsibility. We have a responsibility to not use that speech inappropriately. Just like we have the right to assemble, but not to become a violent mob. - Ladybug Heather [2hr 31min ago]

A good way to think of it is that my rights end where yours begin. - MVB [2hr 31min ago]

Heather, who is to say what is inappropriate? The corrupt courts? - Michael Forian [2hr 30min ago]

Michael: And I have always wondered if I would live long enough to see Sinclair Lewis' prediction come true: "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross." - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 30min ago]

Michael - what a lucky coincidence for you that Prison Planet & Infowars aren't corrupt or insane, unlike _everyone else_ ! - Andrew C [2hr 30min ago]

A different question, Michael: do you believe that it is possible to abuse another person through words and behaviors, without causing physical damage to their body? - Ladybug Heather [2hr 28min ago]

Andrew, you are allowed to criticize my media sources as much as you want. I even question Steven's postings of "Media Matters" links. - Michael Forian [2hr 28min ago]

This very similar to Bush43 connecting Iraq to Al-Queda with the Q being the common denominator, in this case it is the word "socialist" ... a lot of people need to be edumacated on what that word actually means *sigh* - Rene Wirtz [2hr 28min ago]

Through the means of a television, radio or the internet? Yes, I do. - Michael Forian [2hr 27min ago]

Michael: I didn't even mean through those means, even people within a home or a workplace. So my next question would be: Is it a responsible and appropriate way to use the right to free speech, to abuse another person with words? - Ladybug Heather [2hr 26min ago]

The difference between Media Matters and this guy, Michael, is that MM doesn't feel the need to make stuff up. They follow a time-honored tradition of old-time journalism: using the subjects actual quotes and sourcing their information before they post it. Is their track record perfect? Probably not, But I haven't seen them make a major screw-up yet. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 26min ago]

Michael, shouldn't you be happy S.909 doesn't have that 'emotional distress' language in the House Bill? - Andrew C [2hr 25min ago]

And really, it is *everybody's* job to judge what is a responsible and appropriate use of this right and what is not. Have you never said to a friend, "That wasn't cool; what you just said, that went too far"? Where the government, law enforcement, and the courts come in is when someone goes so far in their expression of this right that they seriously violate the right of another to life, liberty, and property -- and I think it has taken rather a long time for the government to legislate this, because it shouldn't have to be the government's role. - Ladybug Heather [2hr 23min ago]

Steven: Alex Jones, Kurt Nimmo and Paul Watson ALL back up their stories with sources. Most of their sources are from other media sources. - Michael Forian [2hr 22min ago]

Ah, Michael, that begs a question for both you and Steven. What is the proportion of PRIMARY sources used for these writers/outlets? - Ladybug Heather [2hr 20min ago]

There's a big difference between using the net to tell someone that they're a big poopy head and using the net to say that someone should, for instance, do something about all of those damn Mexicans hanging around taking American jobs, Michael. Sadly, no one in the article you mentioned seems to have glommed onto that difference. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 20min ago]

Guys, listen. I have basically everyone commenting on here against me, asking me questions, questioning my sources and what I read. I don't have time to respond back to you. I have a life. I don't have the time to spend my whole day on here. Feel free to discuss the rest of this without me, but understand that Infowars/Prison Planet is a very credible source in my honest opinion and I will continue to post links from there sites in the US Politics room and the Middle East room. - Michael Forian [2hr 20min ago]

Kurt Nimmo and Paul Watson are usually careful about documenting their sources. Perhaps Andrew C could point to some factual errors in their recent posts. To the extent that they are intellectually vigorous libertarians, they appeal to the libertarian side of my progressive libertarianism. I am close to a free speech absolutist. - Sean McBride [2hr 18min ago]

Easy on the persecution complex, Michael. The orginal question was whether or not the above pic was stupid or not. YOU brought up thought crimes and bills in Congress. You're free to counter anything I post - just don't be surprised when I question your counterarguments. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 18min ago]

Steven, YOU HAVE THE TIME THAT I DON'T! I should've assumed that my opinion's on this matter were going to be heavily questioned. - Michael Forian [2hr 17min ago]

I am amused that you think I have that kind of time, Michael. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 16min ago]

And to make another point quite clear: given the history of civil rights legislation in this country, some people really do need laws on the books to keep them from being jerks to other people. - Steven Perez - via IM [2hr 14min ago]

What? Why? That's a bit far fetched. I don't agree with some of his viewpoints, but he's not a crazy, genocidal, paranoid dictator. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge [2hr 13min ago]

Sean - I rarely read PrisonPlanet / Infowars because of the reek o' crazy. Give me a few links, how about that? Because the first Paul Watson piece I found - http://www.prisonplanet.c... - seems to misunderstand (deliberately?) the difference between a currency and a reserve currency. The second, http://www.prisonplanet.c... - spews the fringe paranoia about Aztlan, La Raza, MeCHA, calling it 'the Mexican Klan'. - Andrew C [2hr 12min ago]

'intellectually vigorous'? Seriously????? - Andrew C [2hr 11min ago]

Andrew C -- why don't you display some intellectual vigor by pointing to any misstatements of fact in their recent posts. Yes: both Nimmo and Watson have sharp minds and superb investigative skills. And they are capable of thinking outside the box defined by the mainstream media. - Sean McBride [2hr 10min ago]

Michael: With all respect, if you are "a proud Canadian" from Montreal why do you insist on filling the US Politics room with your belligerent, conservative nonsense? Does it really concern you? - Ethan [2hr 9min ago]

Ethan -- I think people from all around the world should feel free to comment on US politics; why not? It is interesting to hear their views. - Sean McBride [2hr 8min ago]

Sean - I believe I already did above. Calling any of those Hispanic groups a "Mexican Klan" is flat out nuts. And calling for a change in reserve currency is not remotely the same as calling for the US to give up its own internal currency. - Andrew C [2hr 7min ago]

Sean, I do not deny that it is interesting, but what I find irritating is how naive certain individuals are, systematically denouncing everything our leadership does. - Ethan [2hr 5min ago]

Ethan -- generally, if someone makes strong arguments based on well-documented facts, they thrive in these groups. If they don't, they tend to disappear. Let open debate naturally sort out the wheat from the chaff. The weak stuff quickly falls by the wayside. - Sean McBride [2hr 3min ago]

Ethan - FWIW, I'm Canadian too. - Andrew C [2hr 2min ago]

Andrew: GlobalResearch.ca is a solid site, and they have published quite a few articles by Paul Joseph Watson: http://www.globalresearch... Obviously I don't agree with everything Watson says, but he scores enough solid hits based on facts to put him on my radar -- not at the top of my list of researchers and analysts, but on the list. I think where we differ is that you are a progressive, and I am a progressive libertarian -- I am usually open to libertarian analysis of American and global politics. (I usually enjoy your posts -- you are a free thinker who as a rule doesn't hesitate to question official authority.) - Sean McBride [1hr 54min ago]

Michael my point was not about whether people had the "right" to say anything -- which you spun into an argument on free speech, subsequently followed by conflating *speech* with *thought* and paranoid delusions about "thought crimes" -- but rather your original argument was a tu quoque (http://en.wikipedia.org/w...), i.e. logical fallacy. - Karim [1hr 54min ago]

If people compare X to Hitler, the argument is not proven correct by saying that people also compared Y to Hitler. That just gets people arguing about whether X is more "Hitlerish" than Y. Turning it an argument about "free speech" and "thought crimes" just shows that your troll fu is weak. - Karim [1hr 53min ago]

Free speech is already limited where the act is criminal/can cause physical or material harm to folks. I don't see how that bill is any different. - Alix Whitmire ☂ [1hr 50min ago]

Should criticism of Christian fundamentalists and Christian Armageddonists, including criticism suffused with ridicule, be banned on the grounds that it is "hate speech"? Fundamentalist true believers might try to make that argument. Generally I detest hate speech, because it is a poor substitute for reasonable and civil argument and debate, but I am extremely wary about censoring political speech. A slippery slope to say the least, one which has generated many totalitarian regimes throughout history. - Sean McBride [1hr 45min ago]

The problem with hate speech in this country, Sean, is that it usually leads to people hanging from trees or being dragged to death behind a pickup truck. - Steven Perez [1hr 44min ago]

Andrew: any misstatements of fact here? "At the height of last year's French riots, Voz de Aztlan leader Ernesto Cienfuegos stated that similar scenes of chaos would be witnessed on the streets of America. As reports of violence begin to filter through, a deliberately fomented race war hiding behind an immigration debate creeps ever closer. "Today, here in Los Angeles, we are already seeing ominous signs of an impending social explosion that will make the French rebellion by Muslim and immigrant youths seem 'tame' by comparison," said Cienfuegos on November 8." - Sean McBride [1hr 42min ago]

Steven -- should speech ridiculing Sarah Palin's or John Hagee's or Pat Robertson's religious beliefs be banned? - Sean McBride [1hr 40min ago]

Depends - how many people has their speech killed? Because that kind of thing - people with a pulpit warning of (fill-in-the-minority-here) - has been around for ages. - Steven Perez [1hr 38min ago]

Let's get one thing straight, Sean: that bill mentioned above didn't happen in a vacuum. it happened because a few idiots had a beef with a gay person and decided to kill him. That's why it's called a hate crime. And unless you recognize the source of where hate crimes come from, which more times than not is someone constantly haranguing about minorities, you keep running into the same problem over and over and over again. - Steven Perez - via IM [1hr 34min ago]

Andrew -- Watson writes on many topics, and this is not a topic about which I am well-informed. But I carefully read the article you linked to. He criticized two groups -- Voz de Aztlan and Mecha -- which he characterized as extremist, and he defended Hispanics as a whole. His criticism was directed primarily at white global elites who manipulate racial conflict for their financial benefit. I will have to do some research on my own to verify if Voz de Aztlan and Mecha are indeed extremist groups. - Sean McBride [1hr 32min ago]

Sean: yes, there are misstatements of fact. First of all, Watson makes a statement of fact that a 'deliberately formented race war hiding behind an immigration debate creeps ever closer'. That was in 2006; that race war still hasn't happened. Secondly, he distorts Cienfuegos' warning into a threat. Thirdly, he claims later down in that same article that "Aztlan and Mecha groups advocate killing all whites and blacks and driving them out of the southern states by means of brutal ethnic cleansing." which is pure racist/paranoid bullshit - the SPLC does consider La Voz de Aztlan a racist group (http://www.splcenter.org/...), but MeCHA is a well-known student organization: http://dneiwert.blogspot.... - Andrew C [1hr 31min ago]

Neiwert and others have also addressed the mistranslation of the MeCHA slogan - see that link in my preceding post. But the most egregious distortion is to conflate MeCHA and La Voz de Aztlan in the first place. - Andrew C [1hr 28min ago]

Steven -- I have no problem with classifying hate crimes as an especially vicious type of crime. But I am cautious about censoring "hate speech," which is wide open to many interpretations. I hear hate speech on a regular basis on Fox News, but I don't advocate censoring it through government legislation no matter how much it upsets me. I prefer the approach of Media Matters for America: *answering* hate speech with rational speech. Those who refuse to recognize free speech rights for their opponents cannot reasonably expect to enjoy free speech rights for themselves. - Sean McBride [1hr 27min ago]

Andrew: so the SPLC classifies La Voz de Aztlan as a racist group. And the quote from Cienfuegos sounds like a threat to my ears, if not to yours. I need to look into Mecha on my own before commenting further. I am not trying to defend Watson's views in this particular article. But he usually anchors his analysis in concrete and well-documented facts. He emphasized that the majority of Hispanics oppose La Voz de Aztlan and its political program. I didn't get the sense in this article that he is trying to incite hatred against Hispanics in general -- quite the contrary. In fact, if there is any incitement going on here, it's against the white global power elite. :) - Sean McBride [1hr 21min ago]

Andrew: SPLC on La Voz de Aztlan: ""Our duty is to take back what is ours," reads the Internet page, "even if it means carrying out total genocide." Standard fare, perhaps, for your garden-variety white supremacist Web sites. But there's a twist. The sentiment comes this time not from any neo-Nazi or Klan page, but from the message board of La Voz de Aztlan, the racist and anti-Semitic Web magazine of a tiny group of extremist Chicanos in Los Angeles." The SPLC itself compares La Voz de Aztlan to the KKK! - Sean McBride [1hr 17min ago]

I have to agree with Sean on the Hate Crime bill, it is an unnecessary law, if I go out an beat someone to death because he or she is an X, Then charge me with murder, the reason I killed should not make it more or less a crime. Besides my guess would be if it does pass the Supreme Court will strike it down as violation of freedom of speech and being to vague - Kim Landwehr [1hr 17min ago]

Andrew: and there are some major problems with MEChA according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/w... including significant connections to La Voz de Aztlan. It looks to me like Paul Joseph Watson was substantially on target, although too hyperbolic for my taste. He did his research before committing words to screen. - Sean McBride [1hr 12min ago]

I think such a bill is necessary primarily because we do live in an age when we believe ourselves to be past such things as dragging a black man out of bed, hanging him from a tree and then feeling good about the experience because the sheriff helped pull the rope, yet we have people on the radio and TV 24-7 who continue to fan the flames of hate. The bill may not be much, but it does point to a stand we take against racism of all stripes and say, "This is not acceptable." - Steven Perez - via IM [1hr 10min ago]

I think such a bill is necessary primarily because we do live in an age when we believe ourselves to be past such things as dragging a black man out of bed, hanging him from a tree and then feeling good about the experience because the sheriff helped pull the rope, yet we have people on the radio and TV 24-7 who continue to fan the flames of hate. The bill may not be much, but it does point to a stand we take against racism of all stripes and say, "This is not acceptable." - Steven Perez - via IM [1hr 9min ago]

Steven -- I wish you would address the points and arguments I raised. Take your time. :) - Sean McBride [1hr 9min ago]

"including significant connections to La Voz de Aztlan" is it just me, or does the WIkipedia entry on MEChA that you just cited include only a single _unsourced_ claim about those connections? - Andrew C [1hr 7min ago]

*facepalm* - Chieze Okoye [1hr 7min ago]

Kim - if you go out and beat someone to death because of their group identity, that is considered a hate crime _because it is meant to terrorize the entire group_. (the earlier Neiwert piece I linked explains in greater detail: http://dneiwert.blogspot.... ) - Andrew C [1hr 5min ago]

The La Voz de Aztlan-MEChA connection is way overstated. It would be nice if they actually interviewed people in either organization before making up their minds. - Victor Ganata [1hr 4min ago]

Sean: what, about the Hate Crime bill? Why? It does nothing to address the original point. It's called a digression, and a rather foolish one made by Michael to begin with. Ethan hit on the point way back in the third comment. - Steven Perez [1hr 3min ago]

Andrew: ok -- I read the dneiwert defense of MEChA -- it sounds to me like he is on the ropes intellectually, thus all the hair-splitting words attempting to define "racism." If I find some time, I'll read some MEChA source documents to get a sense of where they are coming from. But the Wikipedia entry already tends to undercut dneiwert. - Sean McBride [59min 12sec ago]

Besides, the whole "evil Hispanic group" meme misses a vital point about Hispanics in this country: they move here to get away from where they used to be. Why in the world would anyone want to sign up with a group that agitated for a return to the same place where they couldn't get a job or feed their families, except for some misplaced sense of cultural pride? People don't come to this country to return it to Mexico - they come here to get something better than what they left. - Steven Perez [57min 40sec ago]

Steven -- I don't know the details of the Hate Crime Bill. As I said before, I support a special classification for hate crimes, which are especially noxious and destructive. If there is nothing in the bill censoring political speech, I would probably support it. - Sean McBride [56min 40sec ago]

And Sean: having read several of Neiwert's tomes on hate groups here in this country, I'd take him as a reliable source over anything written in Wikipedia. The man has made a career of monitoring all manner of groups from the neo-Nazis in the upper Northwest down to the Minutemen in California. He knows what he is talking about. - Steven Perez [55min 31sec ago]

And that's what the bill does, Sean. - Steven Perez [55min 7sec ago]

Would any bill that outright censored speech pass Constitutional muster? I always thought the argument was about the chilling effects. - Victor Ganata [54min 26sec ago]

Yeah, Neiwert's done a lot of original reporting and first-person interviews; he _really_ knows what he's talking about. - Andrew C [53min 15sec ago]

It depends on the nature of the speech, Victor. - Steven Perez [52min 42sec ago]

Googling La Voz de Atzlan and MEChA: http://www.google.com/#q=... It will take some time to sort through and make sense of this. - Sean McBride [51min 56sec ago]

Outrageous !!! - Kevin Hatton [49min 25sec ago]

Sean, yes, there is an awful lot to sort through, in part because the racist fringe has piled on the conspiracy theories and they re-print their stuff everywhere. (Find a racist piece, find a statistically unlikely phrase in it, google that phrase, and you generally find 20+ copies of the same piece, copied in whole.) - Andrew C [44min 47sec ago]

Interesting: article(Christine Boehm; An Investigation of Racism within MEChA; The Stanford Review; 20031015 http://www.rickross.com/r... ) The Stanford Review isn't a right-wing or racist site. - Sean McBride [37min 30sec ago]

Wow. I am proud to see that, after I took a break from this thread to do some actual work, that the level of discourse has raised significantly. And what I notice is that people are now looking for primary sources, or for references to those primary sources. "What A said about what B said about C" is generally unhelpful, where going back to see C's words helps clarify a lot. - Ladybug Heather [29min 59sec ago]

The Internet is full of Cowards. Most have public faces and words contrary to those used to cause trouble. - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift [34min 37sec ago]

Anonymity creates courage they wouldn't have otherwise. - Shevonne [34min 17sec ago]

or hide behind pseudonyms. - Carlos Ayala [32min 26sec ago]

yeah Carlos, those people really piss me....HEY! :-p - Live4Emma (L4S) [31min 7sec ago]

*sulks* I like my pseudonym =( - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [31min 7sec ago]

I even don't get the point of those "private" feeds. What do they do, post naked family pictures ? Haha. - Bora Mesut PALAS [27min 27sec ago]

Oh dear. I guess there was some drama? BTW Not all pseudonym-bearing folks are baddies *looks at FFing Enigma and Live4Emma as examples of good folk* but I guess some are? - Abby Martin [24min 40sec ago]

hey i know both your names! - Carlos Ayala [24min 37sec ago]

@Tina + L4S...i assure you that they know exactly who they are. - Carlos Ayala [23min 50sec ago]

Yeah, we all know that "Steven Perez" is one of Alex Scoble's phony IDs. - Steven Perez - via Android [22min 54sec ago]

my pseudonym has two reasons behind it: 1) refers to a band i was in back in the 80s. 2) keeps a certain stalker off my back (hopefully!). i promise that any shit-stirring i might seem to do is strictly inadvertent. - Dead Silence [18min 56sec ago]

You know, I was wondering where Kol was hiding today. Turns out he was taking shelter. :-D - Steven Perez - via IM [17min 37sec ago]

I've been using this alias online for nearly 2 decades, so I continue to use it... I'd hope nobody thinks of me as a baddie - way more ppl find me through this name than my real one :) Besides, even my hockey jersey says "Karnatos" on the back! :D - Karnatos [17min 25sec ago]

Curtis Premicia. - Sparky, king of carbs [16min 49sec ago]

Their feed is probably empty anyway... - Amit Morson [16min 24sec ago]

Sparky, I just threw up in your mouth a little bit. - Akiva Moskovitz [16min 21sec ago]

Hey not me! - Rodfather [15min 40sec ago]

A very interesting pattern you've noticed, Akiva. And you're right. - Ha3rvey [15min 23sec ago]

mine's private because FF posts are very very easily googled. no thanks! - Patricia [15min 3sec ago]

I was private for awhile. While my entire internet doings were readily available everywhere, the concept of easy aggregation for -everyone- to find and potentially exploit scared me..., that being said, I got over it and I don't think I stir shit up. - Clark Baumgartner [14min 43sec ago]

I can really taste the salmon. - Sparky, king of carbs [13min 18sec ago]

Wonderful! - Anika Malone [1d 14hr ago]

Nawce! Happy 4th, Carlitos! :-)) - Anna Haro [1d 13hr ago]

Thanks! it was my daughter's first real show. we camped out at a friend of a friend's front yard right across the street from the park that held the display. we got lucky. getting into the park was impossible. - Carlos Ayala [1d 13hr ago]

Now those are some gorgeous pictures. - Sean [21hr 43min ago]

@Carlos where were you for these? we were at miami springs... heh - /Users/mjc [19hr 57min ago]

@mjc Dewey Boster park in Orange Ctiy / Deltona Fl. - Carlos Ayala [19hr 9min ago]

ah. visiting? or was I just confused in thinking you lived in miami... - /Users/mjc [17hr 5min ago]

no, i live in the next town over approx. 5 minutes or less from my house. - Carlos Ayala [16hr 58min ago]

ah. yeah I dunno where I pulled "carlos lives in miami" from then. - /Users/mjc [16hr 47min ago]

@Carlos: for future reference... which type of lens did you use to take these? - Harold [16hr 44min ago]

@Harold this series was shot using a Sigma 17-70mm on a canon xti. this is basically my walk around lens. - Carlos Ayala [16hr 29min ago]

@Carlos... thanks - Harold [16hr 26min ago]

Are we talking about really toned like Madonna or are we talking about super-cut like Linda Hamilton in T2 or female bodybuilders? How toned? Muscles can be cool on a woman if she can carry it off- but a really, really muscular woman is a little intimidating. - Abby Martin [16hr 23min ago]

+1 Lindsay .. there's a difference between tone and muscles. - Tim Hoeck [16hr 21min ago]

Athletic and muscular create two distinct images for me. Athletic is hot and muscular is not. Same goes for men. Its just a vanity thing at some point and not very useful muscle. 2 cents. - Dave - SustainedEuphoria [16hr 21min ago]

I thought Torrie Wilson (former pro wrestler) was drop-dead gorgeous on "I'm A Celebrity..." She's buff as hell, but still extremely feminine. - Joey Gibson [16hr 16min ago]

I think it's great/inspiring to see. :) - Alix Whitmire ☂ [16hr 15min ago]

I'm not disgusted, but it definitely ain't my thing. I like curves instead of lumps... just my taste. As for why some people *are* disgusted, I think it's the same as when they're grossed out by a feminine man... someone is speaking at them in a foreign sexual language, and they have neither an interest in learning to translate, nor a willingness to turn a politely deaf ear. - Roger Benningfield [16hr 10min ago]

Depends on the woman, but I've definitely seen both on the same body. I'm a curve man myself. - Rahsheen ™ [16hr 2min ago]

It may be for the same reason people are disgusted by hair on the legs of women; they can't look girlish if they have muscles. - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson) [15hr 57min ago]

I guess that's where we fall into stereotypes or whatever. Most dudes I see don't even have muscles. Hair on women is natural. - Rahsheen ™ [15hr 50min ago]

I like a woman who is toned. But if she's ripped, that's a turn-off to me. I like my women cuddly. - Jason Huebel [15hr 48min ago]

I don't mind it at all. I dated a bodybuilder once. She was just as tender and feminine as any woman, but during competitions she was totally different. While I preferred the former, I had a lot of respect for her discipline (and the fact that she could probably kick my ass). - jcunwired [15hr 41min ago]

One time I met a chick. She was almost perfect, but she had sharp knees. - Wirehead [15hr 26min ago]

LMAO@Wirehead - Rahsheen ™ [15hr 23min ago]

To add to this. Fragile-looking women are unattractive to me, but seem to be what most people like. - Rahsheen ™ [14hr 36min ago]

doesn't physics tell us that crazy things attract? ;-) - Karim [1hr 29min ago]

Yeah, it's always fascinating to see where these conversations go and how far they digress away from the original point. I've always held that anyone who feels the need to digress significantly has no argument to begin with. - Steven Perez [1hr 5min ago]

See if you can get abortion and Margaret Sanger into the discussion! - Victor Ganata [1hr 2min ago]

Damn, Victor. I'm not trying to compete with Robert Scoble! :D - Steven Perez [52min 3sec ago]

Steven, shouldn't that be, "I'm not trying to compete with Robert Scoble! Here's why:" ;-) - Karim [50min 4sec ago]

LOL @ Karim. - Trish R [48min 53sec ago]

Oohh... almost 1/7th of 100. - Louis Gray [18hr 47min ago]

Beautiful. - Tudor Bosman - via email [18hr 46min ago]

Thanks - Arthur Guy [6hr 12min ago]

this is totally me. my lag time is more like 7 years though - Imabug [3hr 17min ago]

Dudes, the main character from Metroid's a chick! - Mike Lewis [3hr 11min ago]

A chick named Justin Bailey, amirite? - Daniel J. Pritchett - via IM [3hr 11min ago]

The last game I played was Starcraft, so I understand. - Victor Ganata [2hr 19min ago]

Dave likes my hair shorter than I do: it's the way I had it cut when we first met. I find it easier to maintain when it's long because I'm lazy: no blow drying and I can quickly put it up to get it out of my face. Not so much when it's short or middle length... I have a gift certificate for a place near my house, I wonder if they'll listen to me when I say "No, really: I'm not gonna blow-dry or straighten. Don't cut it assuming I'm lying to you." - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [2hr 58min ago]

Tina - how long is your hair? longer than it is in your profile picture? - Jannifer Stoddard [2hr 53min ago]

Joey, don't forget the other way that this can hit you - the dreaded "Do you think I need a hair cut?" question. Tharrr be monsters! Answer "Yes", and face the deadly response called "Why?", answer "No" and the equally dreaded "So you like my hair scruffy then?" comeback is heading your way. Hair style and fashion choices - two opinions that mere men should never proffer! - Andy Bold [2hr 49min ago]

Jannifer, my hair is about the same length as in the profile pic, perhaps a half inch longer. The pic above was taken when it was due for a cut, about 2 months before my last haircut fiasco. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [2hr 43min ago]

I think it's really up to you cause it's your hair. However, I am not married, so I am not sure I am the right person to ask. - Shevonne [2hr 41min ago]

At this point in my life, I don't care whether it's long or short. So long as it doesn't look stupid, doesn't get in my eyes, and doesn't require me to actually *do* stuff to it, I'm good. Last couple of cuts have required blow drying to look worth a damn, even though I've told the stylists in question that I specifically didn't want to dry it. Grrr..... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [2hr 39min ago]

Sorry Tina, but I'm one of those people who didn't see the last haircut as a fiasco. I thought it was nice. Just saying. - Derek Coward [2hr 39min ago]

Derek, the front was OK but the back was actually very uneven: from behind it looked like someone took clippers and touched them to the left side of my head, leaving a 1 inch x 2 inch gap that was obviously missing hair. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [2hr 33min ago]

I don't remember seeing the back in the video you made. Plus, I'm a guy, if I'm behind you, chances are I'm not looking at your hair. ;) - Derek Coward [2hr 32min ago]

LOL! True enough, but for what it's worth it's pretty darn hard to video the back of your own head using a laptop webcam. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [2hr 31min ago]

lol @ Derek :D - vijay [2hr 29min ago]

i presume your hair still looks like this. http://friendfeed.com/scf... - Imabug [2hr 17min ago]

Yup, that's pretty much it. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [2hr 16min ago]

So it looks to be about shoulder length - is that right? And he wants you to get it cut? I heard of guys NOT wanting their wives/girlfriends to get their hair cut, but I think this is the first time I've heard of your situation. - Jannifer Stoddard [2hr 16min ago]

No, my head's tilted down in that picture. In the front my hair is between the jaw and the shoulder, definitely not shoulder length. It's just now long enough that I can pull it all back into a short squat ponytail. In the back my hair is about 2.5 inches long. Like I said, if he wants it short I'm cool with that but if it turns out bad I'll pull a GI Jane. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [2hr 13min ago]

I don't know what I'd do if my husband wanted me to get my hair cut short - it would most likely be a major problem, as my hair's length is now really long, slightly past my butt. I've always preferred my hair to be long and also hate the high-maintenance styling you mentioned. - Jannifer Stoddard [2hr 2min ago]

And those hair-stylists ALWAYS screw it up by making it into a high-maintenance blow-drying requirement and/or straightening required style - which I hate! - Jannifer Stoddard [1hr 57min ago]

Amen, Jannifer =/ As for the hair: in the 6.5 years Dave and I have been together my hair has gone from jaw-length to past my butt and back to jaw length. I'm not committed to it one way or the other, but it's nice to have it shorter in the summer (otherwise I feel like I'm wearing a wool hat all the time). - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1hr 55min ago]

I was actually thinking of finding some place to donate about 10-12 inches of it to Locks of Love. I've been procrastinating, worried that those high-maintenance loving stylists would create another time-consuming hair nightmare for me. They don't listen. I think you would would look good as a GI Jane. Me - It would be hideous. - Jannifer Stoddard [1hr 49min ago]

My husband never tells me what to do with my hair. If I even ask him what he prefers, he only says - "do what you want to do... it's your hair" - Jannifer Stoddard [1hr 47min ago]

I've done locks of love twice in the past 7 years, 16+ inches each time. I'm fortunate that my hair is thick enough they get 2 ponytails out of it so it's like a double donation... If you're considering getting it cut, know that they'll need to take more than the minimum donation about if your ends aren't quite even or if some of them are split, etc. Afterwards, just have the stylist give you a straight across blunt cut, it should avoid all the blow-drying issues. Sadly, the only analog to that in short hair is "give me a number 8" with the clippers... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1hr 46min ago]

Pantene also has a hair donation organization, like Locks of Love. http://www.beautifullengt... IIRC, the Pantene organization supposedly doesn't sell the hair like LoL does. - Rochelle [1hr 45min ago]

The prudent husband never suggests by word or deed that his wife's appearance is anything short of absolute perfection. - Pat Rice - via twhirl [1hr 41min ago]

Wrong: my husband is under direct orders to not let me out of the house if I look like an idiot. When he looked at me funny I said "Listen, you don't have to tell me the pants make me look fat or anything. Just say you REALLY like the other pants better. You love me enough to not let me look stupid." - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1hr 39min ago]

Oh I didn't know Pantene did that too Rochelle - I'll check that out! I do have lots of layering because my hair is so thick, so maybe it wouldn't work to try to donate it. I would not be able to tolerate anything shorter than shoulder blade length. - Jannifer Stoddard [1hr 37min ago]

Well, if it's currently past your rear you could probably get enough to donate even with the layers, but you'd want to speak with the stylist to be sure (and impress upon them the shoulder blade requirement, repeatedly!) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1hr 35min ago]

My hubby has let me go out in public looking stupid - with things stuck to me, etc. and I've said - WHY didn't you say something??! He doesn't do it on purpose, but I think he subconsciously subscribes to the belief Pat mentioned: "The prudent husband never suggests by word or deed that his wife's appearance is anything short of absolute perfection." - Jannifer Stoddard [1hr 27min ago]

See, that's funny, because Mrs. Wirehead and I have exactly the opposite thing. She wants to go and get her hair cut and I start wimpering. - Wirehead [1hr 22min ago]

Wirehead, I think that's normally the way it goes. I hear a lot that the whole "he wants it shorter" thing is pretty uncommon. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1hr 21min ago]

If it goes badly, there is always the Bec route. Which I think you too could pull off ;) - Michael W. May [52min 17sec ago]

But, then I'd have to have "hair helmets" and "bald helmets" for both skating and the bike! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [50min 13sec ago]

I am just finishing week 2 :) - holly [16hr 54min ago]

Is there something like this but with sit ups? - Justin Korn [16hr 51min ago]

yes, Justin, there's 200 situps: http://www.twohundredsitu... - holly [16hr 50min ago]

Hiro, I do lots of different exercise. This is just something I'm adding. :) Dave - Please join me - I can't get Shawn to. :( Holly - woot! - Alix Whitmire ☂ [16hr 48min ago]

I've done this and can say that if you stick with it, it truly does make a significant change. @Justin, try http://twohundredsitups.c... - Gus - via iPod [16hr 47min ago]

Abs. http://howtogetsixpackabs... - Dave - SustainedEuphoria [16hr 45min ago]

Thanks holly and Gus! Any links for advice on proper eating habits when doing such exercises? I'm trying to lose weight, just trying to keep in shape and strengthen core. - Justin Korn [16hr 43min ago]

Dave - try this for abs: http://dailyburn.com/work... - Alix Whitmire ☂ [16hr 42min ago]

Embaressed but out of the closet. I could only perform 9 clean formed pushups, which puts me at rank 2. Oh so embarrassing. Week 1 here we come. - Dave - SustainedEuphoria [16hr 42min ago]

Just started doing push ups as of July 1. Had to add some new moves. Looks like a cool thread. - David Damore [16hr 40min ago]

Don't be embarrassed - I could only do 10 modified and I could only do 6(!!) with my hands on the ball. - Alix Whitmire ☂ [16hr 40min ago]

Joining in on the abs workout as well. Thanks Alix! - Dave - SustainedEuphoria [16hr 39min ago]

Jason, here's about when/how much to eat around workouts: http://well.blogs.nytimes... - Alix Whitmire ☂ [16hr 38min ago]

Oh Hiro the Big Mac post was great and my well, very similar and current workout program. - Dave - SustainedEuphoria [16hr 27min ago]

holly: How are you feeling after week 2? - Dave - SustainedEuphoria [16hr 27min ago]

I did this awhile back. If you can get through the pain of your 1st week, you see real improvement. :) - Bluesun 2600 [16hr 25min ago]

Dave, really good. my max was 7 pushups in the first set. I'm already up to 18. it really does work! I am almost looking forward to the exhaustion test I have planned for tomorrow to see how I do. :) - holly [16hr 23min ago]

I am in!! Should we have a group for those of us doing this, or something? and. for the record, I can do 4 "proper" push-ups. *runs to add this to the lifelist* - Nathalie [16hr 17min ago]

It looks like there's a group here: http://friendfeed.com/100... but not active any more. - Alix Whitmire ☂ [16hr 10min ago]

Great news Holly. I love your name but it IS going to confuse me when "Holly" my wife comes around. :) - Dave - SustainedEuphoria [16hr 8min ago]

heh Dave, I think I have run across her comments and been confused myself! :) - holly [15hr 58min ago]

It wasn't meant to be a commentary on your exercise plan. I just thought I'd mention the thread. :-) - Hiro Asari [15hr 40min ago]

@Kara Thanks for the compliment! - Shevonne [2hr 43min ago]

I gained 3 lbs this weekend I need to work off this week too, but I don't spin. Some of my stations are close enough to hear the music and see the girls walk to and fro though - RAPatton [2hr 33min ago]

@RAP Are you fishing for compliments?! haha - Shevonne [2hr 33min ago]

You eat FRIEND chicken, I hate to see what you do to enemy chicken. - Steve C [2hr 27min ago]

Quick, someone tell me how pretty I look! - Andrea G [2hr 15min ago]

@Andrea +++++ - Shevonne [2hr 13min ago]

Now I want friend chicken. =( - Baroness Von Cut-A-Bitch‽ [56min 50sec ago]

Zune - Shey [3hr 1min ago]

BMG - MVB [3hr 1min ago]

BMG? - Steven Perez - via IM [3hr ago]

iTunes :) - Roberto Bonini [3hr ago]

i use rhythmbox to download and listen to podcasts - Imabug [2hr 58min ago]

Email client RSS/manual and Miro for a couple. - Michael W. May [2hr 56min ago]

Hmmm. I expected a lot more iTunes answers here. - Steven Perez [1hr 37min ago]

Zune! - Mattie Kenny - via fftogo [1hr 36min ago]

iTunes - Andrew C [1hr 28min ago]

iTunes. - /Users/mjc [1hr 26min ago]

iTunes - Parth Awasthi [1hr 26min ago]

The fanboys heard the call! ;) - Michael W. May [1hr 20min ago]

iTunes - Tac Anderson [1hr 15min ago]

http://www.scaredcat.demo... اينجا راهشو توضيح داده. ولی کرمش به اينه که خودت پيداش کنی :) - امير کبير® [1 wks 6d ago]

مرسی - M♥hammad [1 wks 6d ago]

آخ من لینکهارو دیروز پست کردم انگار ثبت نشه . تو ویکی پدیا فارسی پیداش کن - ☜♡☞ [1 wks 5d ago]

باشه، مرسی - M♥hammad [1 wks 5d ago]

روشای زیادی داره روبیک معمولی.. - Fardark [1 wks 5d ago]

My mother says the same thing about my dad. "I'm doin' it 'cause I don't feel like hearing him whine and moan all day...." - Nakachi Majeeda [20hr 46min ago]

After thinking about it a while, Nakachi, I think the advice goes both ways!! - Lindsay is :) [20hr 44min ago]

Tad speaks truth. - Jason Huebel - via iPhone [20hr 35min ago]

This should be taught in sheetmetal or woodworking class. - MVB [20hr 35min ago]

lol Lindsay. I'd say so! - Nakachi Majeeda [20hr 33min ago]

lol, it's human nature... both ways. Essentially you condition one-another. - Adrian Culici [20hr 30min ago]

Excellent idea - Mo Kargas [1d 16hr ago]

because no one checks a friend's feed (often enough). Everyone is stuck on the home feed and rarely venture beyond. It's like those stats from google that say how few people click through to the 3rd or 4th result page. And this UI doesn't work well on the homefeed. Homefeed is all about "today" and "now". - vijay [1d 16hr ago]

Vijay, it would be easy enough to have options, though. As a user, give me options to make event X public to everyone, public to my subscribers, shared to specific people (like a DM) or private. Also give me different calendar views: My Events, Events within my circle (my subscribers and those I sub to), and Everyone. Roll all of that up and put it into another block on the right-hand nav. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1d 16hr ago]

Mark, that's great! - Majento [1d 16hr ago]

I would love those options myself Tina. Just thinking from the POV of the service provider. No one visits the "archive" view on Tumblr --->- http://vjk2005.tumblr.com.... Hence features more people are likely to use more often get bumped up the ToDo list. - vijay [1d 16hr ago]

This is something that could be slapped on to Best of Day pages - Ahsan Ali [1d 16hr ago]

I'm just thinking about it from the X service killer perspective, Vijay. Adding calendaring capability like I've described above would make FF a real competitor to Yahoo Groups (which are still used by a crapton of people). It would also make it a viable option for business collaboration. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1d 16hr ago]

*still thinking...* - vijay [1d 15hr ago]

I get the feeling you want the "feature set" to manage events than the actual Calendar UI. Meaning if you got the features you wanted without changing the current UI at all, you would be happy. Am I thinking right? - vijay [1d 15hr ago]

Don't know for sure. I think event management becomes almost counter-intuitive if there's not at least an actual month/week view of upcoming events. Other than that, though, it seems like event posts could be made almost like any other: where to post (or to whom), files to attach, the main message, and just add in a date/time option. Other than the actual date part, the only thing that would really need to be added is the ability for recipients to decline the event without hiding/deleting it (so they could watch the event followup on the event post) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1d 15hr ago]

Now if FriendFeed is going to integrate with Google Wave (and there's no question about it in my mind), you'll be able to interact with Google Calendar robots inside a Wave. Such integration would mean that FF would need deal with data coming in from robots, therefore it is natural to for FF to start adding apps much like - I gag as I say it - Facebook. - Ahsan Ali [1d 15hr ago]

Interesting conversation you guys have started on this from a different perspective than I'm coming from. - Mark Krynsky [16hr 12min ago]

Really fantastic idea Mark, I'm sold. - /Users/mitch/ [14hr 58min ago]

There is a few solutions that do this now, I have them bookmarked in my Diigo bookmarks group http://www.diigo.com/list... Dandelife is one of them I found some time ago that does a timeline. There was Kronomy, Storytlr and I will go look for the others - Chris Miller [3hr 35min ago]

Chris, I also listed Lifestreaming services that offer timelines in my post including Dipity, Lifeblob, and Allofme. I am also familiar with Dandelife and Storytlr. But none of these services offer a standard calendar view as I am proposing. - Mark Krynsky [3hr 31min ago]

check out 30 boxes widget, 30 boxed: http://30boxes.com/boxed - chrisofspades [3hr 10min ago]

here's an interesting look plugging your friendfeed into 30 boxed: http://30boxes.com/extern... - chrisofspades [3hr 9min ago]

I want this, too! Badly! So far, I cobbled together something by turning all my FF posts into Tweets, going through Twistory, and then piping that into Google Calendar. I want something much better, though! chrisofspades, I like what you did there, and I'm about to try it myself. Is there anything special I should know about doing that before I attempt it? UPDATE I did the 30 Boxes thing, and it doesn't pull in everything. It's a nice quick-and-dirty solution to this problem, though. - Kamilah Gill [2hr 42min ago]

Hello :) - Molly [1hr 51min ago]

hello - tony bland [1hr 51min ago]

Hello, demonstratees! - Martin Bryant [1hr 51min ago]

A special spicy Hello all the way from South India : ) - vijay - via iPhone [1hr 51min ago]

Typing hello, actually. FriendFeed is a very valuable service, both for reading and for writing. - John E. Bredehoft [1hr 50min ago]

Hi Brian (and whomever is receiving the demo). - FFing Enigma (aka Tina) [1hr 50min ago]

greetings - mikepk [1hr 50min ago]

^^ i luv FF <3 - Ronald [1hr 49min ago]

Hello Hello! FriendFeed makes the world go round! - Matt [1hr 48min ago]

Hey! - Herb Hernandez [1hr 48min ago]

Great -- thanks for the responses - better than an elevator speech trying to explain. - Brian Sullivan [1hr 48min ago]

ello - W. Brant Kesseler [1hr 48min ago]

;) What? FF party? I am in at any time :) - Ronald [1hr 47min ago]

'allo - RAPatton [1hr 46min ago]

Hi - SportyGeek (Tracy) [1hr 44min ago]

HI PEOPLE. - Tamar Weinberg [1hr 44min ago]

Hola - Patrick Jordan [1hr 43min ago]

Howdy from Texas. - Christian (Simply X) [1hr 41min ago]

Ko-neechi-wa! - tehKenny [1hr 41min ago]

Thank you Esther <3 and Rutger :) It's always fun to try something different and this is something I have wanted to do long time. - Nia [1d 11hr ago]

Fabulous set of pics. Very creative and very cool and original. - Kevin Hatton [1d 11hr ago]

Thank you Kevin :) - Nia [1d 10hr ago]

I love how the water droplets appear to be solid, like small pieces of glass. - yurei [23hr 23min ago]

Thank you Yurei <3 some of the droplets really are like glass or small bright stones :) - Nia - via fftogo [21hr 52min ago]

Great shots Nia! - AJ Batac [21hr 50min ago]

very kool - (jeff)isageek [21hr 50min ago]

Wow. Great results! - John [21hr 39min ago]

Loove! - Will Higgins™ [16hr 49min ago]

I thought we all agreed that was torture? ;) - MVB [16hr 42min ago]

I don't think I've seen somebody actually make the droplets stay droplets like that. It's cool. - Wirehead [16hr 38min ago]

Jeff, John, Will, Wirehead, Thank you :) @MVB, umm.. :D no? - Nia [11hr 34min ago]

You really don't know, Matthew? - Vince DeGeorge [23hr 44min ago]

LOL! Wonder if it's leaked online? - Matt [23hr 38min ago]

@Matt: That's what I'm wondering too. Which parent *cough* father - leaked this on the Internet. - AJ Kohn [23hr 37min ago]

Ooops - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag [23hr 26min ago]

Whoopsiedaisy ... always check the contents of a disc before handing them out. - Rene Wirtz [23hr 14min ago]

ALWAYS CHECK YOUR WORK before handing it in! How many dadgummed times have we heard this from teachers good and bad? - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson) [22hr 57min ago]

Oh my. Classy coverage by the local news team as well. - Louis Gray [22hr 52min ago]

Parent teacher conferences are going to be interesting for years to come. - AJ Kohn [22hr 47min ago]

Note: Don't use school camera for porn. Always separate cam for porn. End of lesson. - Eric @ CS Techcast [22hr 45min ago]

wtf - l0ckergn0me [22hr 44min ago]

Frankly, I don't understand the whole idea of filming your erotic moments in the first place... - John E. Bredehoft [22hr 44min ago]

John: So you can 'enjoy' them later ;) - Matt [22hr 40min ago]

The best way to find the video is to do a search for Crystal Defanti on Twitter search, and then make sure the person linking the video follows zero and has only a couple 10s of followers - Matthew DeVries [22hr 34min ago]

Yeah, well, while I can appreciate the sentiment, I certainly don't want other people enjoying my private moments later; in other words, they WON'T be filmed! Just a no-brainer for me. YMMV, but you risk sharing that road with unauthorized vehicles. - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson) [22hr 30min ago]

Matthew: Your advice didn't work. :( - Matt [22hr 30min ago]

I have friends that were two grades younger who borrowed a digital camera from an old teacher of mine when they were in 8th grade. Then they found her naked photos on the camera. She was fired, of course. - Daniel Zarick [22hr 23min ago]

I hope she doesn't get fired. I mean, big mistake for sure but ... um, we all have sex. I'd rather they see nudity over violence. - AJ Kohn [22hr 20min ago]

Video or it didn't happen. -